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Universal Soldier re-hacking into Turrican II?

Wesker
01.07.08
Simple as that. Has anyone ever considered into re-hacking that "Universal Soldier" clone/travesty for the Mega Drive/Genesis into the original Turrican II?

It could be pretty possible because, except for the cut out shoot'em up stages, the rest of the game remains intact and it would be just a matter of replacing the changed sprites of the main character, enemies (just some of them were altered) and bosses with the originals.
Elsweyr
01.07.08
Some radical sprite edit right ? Why not, after all... the MD / Genesis version was one of the "best" version of Universal Soldier (with the GB).
Contra
03.07.08
I would very much appreciate that. It might not be Turrican II at its finest, but atleast a solid Turrican II port I could live with on my Genesis. Alas I don't see why anyone would have the motivation to do this.
Carlo+S.
29.09.08
It would be awesome, because Genesis is usually much more user-friendly than amiga to emulate. So having a restored "Turrican II" (minus the shmups stages ) ready to play on jEnesis or picodrive on the go, it would be cool!
Wesker
01.07.09
Seems there's definitely no interest or motivation on this around here, as someone pointed out already, and despite the Turrican series has a big development community behind it. I recently played Universal Soldier on the Mega Drive once again and the game still gives me the feel that is pretty much Turrican II, aside from the masking given by replaced art, changed level order and the absence of the shootem up levels (the new regular levels that replace them are easy and uninspired).

Enemies and bosses behave all the same despite some of them having different appearance, and most enemies, in fact, stay totally unchanged. On the other hand, all bosses sprites were redrawed (except the stage 1-2 hidden boss who remains identical) but they all behave exactly the same, with just a couple of them whose skills and functions were totally changed, those being the stage 2-2 boss (being a bunch of weak helicopters instead of the extended trashing machine returning from the first game) and the stage 5-1 hidden boss (the mecha dragon was replaced by a second appareance of the initial jumping-esque boss, "disguised" as Dolph Lundgren). Those couldn't be restored back unless some reprogramming was done, but at least they could be adapted into something more Turrican-esque than they are (like the first boss doing a second appearance, but in his original robotic form).

Levels need to be reordered in their original sequence, since stage 1-2 is far from 1-1 and actually comes after 2-1 and 2-2, which are corrently linked. Stages 4-1, 4-2, 5-1 and 5-2 are all correctly sequenced. Musics are all in place except for the title screen and ending, and the originals are still in the ROM as unused tracks. There's also a couple of background aspects changed like the alien heads and eggs (well, these ones are theorically enemies) in the 5-1 and 5-2 levels, which were changed into metallic things in order to not look like you are in an alien hive (they failed miserably since the organic layers and the background are still present).

I would try to do this all myself if I had the needed coding and hacking skills, for sure, as I feel the Mega Drive deserves a Turrican II rendition even if the Code Monkeys effort was not going to be the best one to begin with, but its always better than trying to program a new one from scratch or not having one at all. Either I'll try to learn hacking/coding skills and dig into the effort, or look for a possible interest in Mega Drive hacking communities, like the Sonic Retro one.
John
02.07.09
Just get a GP2X Wiz - Turrican II is reported to run fullspeed with full sound at frameskip 1 (=25fps) which is still smooth on a handheld.

Or wait for the Pandora - Turrican II WILL run 50fps with full sound on it!
Wesker
02.07.09
That's not the point of what I mean.
DArk
03.07.09
While I agree tht Amigar emulation is a miner pest (I've only got it working with a little difficulty), I'm not convinced that a rehack of a Mega drive game is the way to go for an easily playable original T2, ---- aside from the pre-configured pc version on Bronko's site of course which is great.

How about someone created a pre-installed version of Winuae?

This has already been done with the Amigar game Moonstone at http://www.moonstonetavern.co.uk/

And would i feel be a great way of getting a playable Turrican.

If the point of hacking Universal soldier is just the speculation of what it'd look like on a Mega drive, ----- I'm not sure really, but I've never been a fan of either of the code monkies turricans, both are cheap and no where near the amigar or pc versions in playability from what I've seen.

Though maybe as I've just bought a copy of Mega Turrican from E-bay and will be trying it soon, ----- the Mega drive will be redeemed in it's Turrican playing ability.
Wesker
03.07.09
Mega Turrican truly redeems the series on the Mega Drive. It had to be the own Factor 5 who came and put things in the right place after the Code Monkeys efforts (though Turrican II's disguised port is not as cheap as the first one, which is truly a big flaw of a port).

Mega Turrican, on the other hand, is actually the definitive version of this specific game to play, paying all respects to the Amiga port (Turrican 3), that is. Mega Turrican stands unmatched in the graphical viewpoint, though.
Robert
04.07.09
Investing a huge amount of time to hack Universal Soldier just because a few people are too lazy to invest a little bit of time in UAE might be a little weird, I assume the time neccessary for the hacking is more than the time needed to get to know UAE multiplied by the people interested in the Universal Soldier hack.
And WinUAE in particular became sooo easy after the Quickstart menu has been introduced.
Bronko
04.07.09
There's always that little Kickstart problem.
Wesker
04.07.09
Emulating the Amiga on a portable platform is an unrelated task to this. Why are there people assuming that a rehacking of Universal Soldier would be just for the sake of emulation? Hasn't anyone though about the possibility of playing Turrican II on a real Mega Drive/Genesis?

Dex 2002 hacked the Turrican port for the Game Boy with a better and more accurate Turrican sprite than the one the game had originally. Now, what would be point of this if you can always try to emulate the Amiga Turrican on a portable system instead? Or the whole meaning of GG Turrican?
Martin
04.07.09
The point is to play Turrican II with the nice background of Universal Soldier in level 1.
Robert
06.07.09
My educated guess is that at max two people would check it out on a real Genesis.
DArk
15.07.09
If there's a way to download roms of mega drive games and play them on my Mega Drive, I'd love to here about it, ---- not the least because while E-bay has now finished my Turrican collection with my recent perchicing of super turrican and Mega turrican, there are other games I'm stil looking for.

As far as winuae goes, the moonstone example I mentioned above actually got round the kickstart issue somehow, ---- though that copy of uae only runs with moonstone and no other game because that's the way it's configured.

Stil, as I've never managed to persuade uae to display properly in full screen, (another topic entirely), I wouldn't mind that sort of construction myself.
Wesker
15.07.09
It's as simple as getting a Mega Drive flashcart. Mega Cart from Tototek is the best one around.
DArk
16.07.09
Interesting indeed, I'll certainly check that out. It'd be fantastic t be able to get some newly developed games for them, ---- as well as play things like modified Roms or games that weren't released in europe like the Wrendering ranger Turrican Hack on Brunco's site.

I also wonder if joysticks are stil available? I love playing games on joysticks, but I dread the day that my Capcom arcade sticks give out, ----- they're stil going strong but they're about 16 years old!
Wesker
16.07.09
Dig out eBay and you'll probably find anything you want concerning gamepads for retro systems.

With Rendering Ranger I guess you'll need a SNES flashcart then. I personally don't have a clue what could be for this one in the matter since I don't own nor collect SNES.
dark
18.07.09
They did seem to sell a Snes flashcart, but I'll have to check. My only slight worry as far as joysticks and ebay goes is much as I love joysticks, I do worry in terms of durability sinse there are many with bad auto switches.

Of course these days we have the likes of the X arcade stick, which you'd pretty much have to run over with a tank in order to stop working, ----- bu that wasn't the case back in the day.

Btw, If your a Turrican Fan, I'd strongly! recommend getting a Snes (or roms, if that's your thing), particularly for games like super Metroid.

I'd also heartily recommend the 2D installments of the Mega man classic or X series to any serious Turrican fan. Though they miss some of the exploration elements, the shooting action is dead there (and in the later titles there stil are some pretty big levels and items to find).

I of course started with the Mega man X games on the Snes in 1999, but these days the best way to obtain 2D Mega man games are the two Gamecube collections.

They didn't have a european release, but being gc the freeloader disk makes playing them on a european machine perfectly easy.

I actually find some of theNes mega man games with their huge collection of enemies and very fast gameplay remind me distinctly of Turrican, ---- though I miss the music sinse the Mega man stuff just can't compare, ---- ;D.
Wesker
29.07.09
Don't worry. The systems I don't own nor collect, I usually dig them through emulation. I actually played all the games you mention already.

In fact, the only way to play Super Turrican 2, a 100% original Turrican game not available for any other platform, is through the SNES way. Manfred Trenz's Rendering Ranger plays in the same group, even unofficially.
Bronko
29.07.09
I play them the Windows way, using my SNES-like gamepad though...

Wesker
10.08.09
You are playing the emulator way then, which is still following the SNES way. There's no official Windows way for the aforementioned games.

Way too much way talking.
dark
11.08.09
Super turrican 2, ---- though having some very nice moments (particularly in the area of bosses), is imho quite a disappointement as compared to other turrican games.

i find the majority of platform stages far too linniar with not enough exploration or even a reasonable amount of interesting enemies, ----- especially with the surround laser and wheel being redundent, and the fact that which power ups are in which block are always the same (making choice of weapons near impossible).

The vehicle stages could've been interesting, but their just too repetitive for my liking, with no weapon choice or large variety of enemies, ---- though I have to admit some of them look very nice.

I'd have to say that super Turrican 2 is probably my least favourite of the official series, ---- not counting the code monkies efforts on the Mega Drive of course.

Just my opinion here though.

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